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« on: November 23, 2011, 10:46:43 am »

Hi Friends

Please tell me how to install MS Dos, Win98 and WinXP on one PC where I get a menu at start up to select the OS to start with? Please give me detail tips and is this possible, waiting for your precious response.

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 06:43:55 pm »

Chatking,
 OK, yes this can be done, but it is a little complicated,  and as with many things there are different ways (many) to do this,..When I first wanted to do the same, and did a "google search", there was alot of info, but much was very confuseing,some simpley wrong,..etc,..
 I can explain how I did it, and get some links to some of the best, info I found,...It will make a interesting thread,..
 It is complex enough that, I can not explain all just in one post,..and since it has been so long, I don't have some of the links, that would be helpful handy, however, these are also easily found useing "google search",...
 The first thing you need to do is be sure you back everything up, because it is very likely the first time, things won't go right, and you will have to start over, I ignored this advice, and lost everything, and also didn't even have, install disks, for windowsXP, for the laptop, I first tried it with.
 So that leads to the 2nd, "step" make sure you have good ,boot disks, install disks, etc, for each OS that you plan to install.
 The 3rd thing is your are going to need some "tools", a good partition manager,software to set up your partitions,..."Partition Magic", by semantec (I think) is very good (No longer is available).

Partition Wizard    (free) and this is the "real version", is available:
PARTITION WIZARD link 
 
Not partition magic, but this may be helpful:
http://partedmagic.com/

 MS dos, and FreeDos, both have  FDISK, how ever I never could figure out very well how to use it,..Free Dos http://www.freedos.org/ also comes with SPFDISK, which is what I first used,.. In a nut shell, what you will need to do, is partition your HD,..that is to say divide it into several parts, 1 for each OS,.. So you need to think about , how many OS's you will be installing, what sizes you want them to be, this in itself can be very complex,..Now in theory, or a very experienced, tech can simpley resize the windows partition, create 3 or 4 new partitions, install the new Os's, and your all set,..but it is not that simple,..my experience is windowsXP especially dose not like to be "resized", and may not boot after doing this, so in my opinion, the best way is to create backups ,disks,CD,  or on USB data sticks, what ever you choose,..then format the HD,
make your partitions, 1 for windows XP,(ntfs), another similar for win98, and the one for dos. Install windowsXP, first, but be sure to select the option to only install, in the selected partition, other wise,it will overwrite everything, and install with just the 1 partition, takeing up the entire HD.
 See next reply
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 07:34:40 pm »

As you can see this is not that simple,.. OK, So you need:
A1: Have everything backed up!!!!!!!!
1. Good boot,and install disks
2, a tool to create,resize,etc mange partitions
3, You are going to also need a "BOOT MANAGER", this is what will give the selection of choices, for which OS you want to use,..when you set up your partitions, you will also need to include a small partition, for the boot manager,..( this may depend on the boot manager), 50mb, maybe less, ....off hand I don't remember the minimum, the boot manger, you use will say in it's instructions how much it needs,...Many, perhaps most people now are useing
 "GRUB FOR DOS",
 But I can not say much about it, because I don't know much on how to set it up,..That is what I am useing now, but that is because when I installed LINUX,..thats what it uses, and the install CD set that up on it's own,.. You can search "boot managers" (google),..or wait, and I will include some links,..
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Before I was useing one called "XOSL",
XOSL (extended operateing system loader)link
it also came with FreeDos,..I liked it, but I think it is kind of "outdated",..I had a lot of trouble,(in fact never found anyone) that knew much about it.
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 From what I have seen, it would be well worth the time, to read up on "grub for dos"
GRUB FOR DOS link  
Grub for Dos tutorial link
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For now thats about it, it would be helpful, but not necessary, if you have 2 computers, 1 where you keep everything, your windowsXP, etc, and the other, to "practice" at first,...and then when you feel confident, set up your "main computer" as you see fit,..
 You can use a "USB data stick" to some extent, make some partititions,, and even use a portable HD,even better, however to actually install windows,in these, is extremely complicated,
 Dos works well, in them,..to boot,etc,..I do recommend, doing some "trials" or experiments, this way, first,...On the real HD things will work better,..XOSL, dose not work, on a USB, at least I never could get it too,and later I read, that it won't work,.grub for dos will,..but it is more complicated,..
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Install windowsXP, first, but be sure to select the option to ,only install, in the selected partition, other wise,it will overwrite everything, and install with just the 1 partition, takeing up the entire HD.  
This was where I left off, on the previous,post,,...
 Install windowsXP,first,..follow with windows98,..same, be sure, it installs in it's proper partitition, now on windows98 I am not sure,..I did install windows 3.1, years ago, but that installs, after Dos has been installed,..Since you are installing them in theyre own partitions, the order dose not really matter,..
 So and finally install your Dos, this will be the easiest to install,..
Now you are ready to install the "boot manger", once installed, it will detect, all the partitions,..and you can follow the bootmanagers setup instructions,..
 So you will need 4 partitions,...
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Some points: The partitions, should all be "primary",  the windows, partitions will be "NTFS",..but the Dos, will be "FAT16 or FAT32",...or just plain "FAT",..this in itself, needs alot of explantion,..and I don't really know enough, to go into that, but I use FAT32,...normally,...some of that depends, simpley on preference,...There is more, alot more..but I am kind of tired, and also have forgotten,alot (need to think and refresh my memory)
 One last point, especially if it is a laptop, you should make sure you have all the correct drivers, in your backups, or on a CD, or data stick,...sometimes these, do not install automaticly, they need to be installed , after windows is installed,...In fact, with my little "acer" netbook,..I ended up takeing it to a "tech", to do the drivers, ( IE: sound, movies, multi-media),..I don't "experiment" much with the laptop anymore, ..it is kind of difficult,and everything has to be done via USB, as it has no CD or disk drive,..
 Well this is enough for now,..any specific questions, if I can I will be happy to answer, and my "writeing" may be hard to understand.,,

    ""HIRENS BOOT CD""     ,...is a very good CD, that has all the tools needed, also some good explanations,...he uses "grub for dos" to set up the boot management, also he is very good about responding to any questions.
 thats all for now from Garry
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 09:49:04 pm »

I spent more time on this then I planned, but anyway it is about "finished",...
 Once you have your partitions made, and set up, it simpley is a matter of installing each OS, to the appropriate partitition,..useing your install disks, Hiren goes into a way to actually make a CD or DVD, that has each one,  and installs them, this is done by creating a image, from the orginal HD, with all the partitions, etc. Then, if something happens, and you lose everything,or HD bites the dust,..you can simple install the disk image,..This is how "techs" make theyer money,...they have "library's" of images, that they can install quickly and easily,..that is a whole other subject,and I don't really know much about it.
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Here are the same links, as in the posts, plus a couple, with dos boot images,..There is "tons" more in google search, but like I mentioned, not of all of it is correct, nor easy to follow,..So, and if you do have questions or problems feel free to aks here,...
------- links below----
 http://rugxulo.googlepages.com
http://jorisvr.nl/freedos.html
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd
http://www.hiren.info/
http://us.norton.com/theme.jsp
http://us.norton.com/theme.jsp?themeid=partition_magic&depthpath=0&header=0
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 http://www.partitionwizard.com/
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XOSL (extended operateing system loader)
http://www2.arnes.si/~fkomar/xosl.org/  
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http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub4dos/
tutorial,...
http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/nix/disk/boot/boot07-GrubForDosInfo/ar01s03.html
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 07:03:29 am »

Just the other day, (yesterday,and the day before), I created a new partition for FreeDos,
 it is cause, when I had installed Linux, and Windows, new, also recently,I didn't think to set up any parttions, I had just installed windowsXp,the linux mint, ...So any way,..I needed to resize the partition and create a new on for FreeDos, I used the most recent, http://www.partitionwizard.com/  ver of partition wizard.
 To my surprise, everything went quite smoothly, I resized the partition, and created the new on for FreeDos,..installed free dos, I used the Grub for Dos 2, that is in Linux Mint, to setup the "boot menu",....The newer Grub for Dos2,
http://sourceforge.net/projects/grub24dos/ 
comes with a update command, that enables it to update the boot menu, practicly automaticly.
Code:
sudo update-grub   
just typeing that in at the "prompt" and it was ready to go.
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